DocO wrote:Nope, I don't think you're being too harsh. As ride captain, your goal is to provide as safe a ride as possible for everyone in the group.
And that should remain your primary concern - a group ride that everyone rode home from on their own bike.
Pink wrote:... when the least experienced is not to standard traffic norm, then they need to (re)take the MSF course, get into a safe rider course, and practice either on one's own or in a smaller group.
I could not agree with you more, Pink!
jfwarren wrote:the reality is the MSF course costs a lot of money and there really isn't a course offered today to teach beginning riders to be better riders - which is too bad.
What does the MSF course cost where you are? Here in Indiana it's $50 for ABATE members, $75 for non-members. And actually, speaking as an MSF Instructor, I can say that the MSF course DOES
teach begining -- and intermediate and experienced riders -- to be better riders by instilling confidence as their skill level increases. Riders with more "real-world" experience also benefit from the "back to basics" approach of the BRC, unlearning any bad habits they've accquired. The only people that I've had not improve - whether they passed the course or not - are those who simply did not TRY. Also, as I'm sure you're all aware, the MSF offers the Experienced Rider Course, with range exercises similiar to the BRC (and some more advanced), but taken on your own bike.
Well around here the MSF beginner and advanced courses are approximately $125 and up.
So I can understand where our riders would be adverse to our suggestions for same (not to meniton egos). Nevertheless, I'm putting together another ride this weekend where I will explain the meeting time, place, pre-ride safety and convenience checks (i.e. checking their gas tanks, air pressure), riding rules , etc. and place the slower riders towards the front.
So I'm going to give it another go and set-up the ride (110 miles) on secondary roads where the speed limit is 50 MPH or less, place the slower riders toward the front and hopefully have a safe and enjoyable ride.
Live and learn, I guess. But I'm not giving up on them yet - we'll try it one more time.
Also setting up a longer ride for later this fall and have offered to take my truck and trailer for what we call the "slow hogs" in order to minimize long-distance interstate travel and safety concerns for the less experienced on the overall group. I circulated this idea last week and even the "slow hogs" liked that idea - so I guess this will work but I'm not particularly thrilled about having someone drive my truck and trailer, but we'll try it and see how it goes considering it's an overnight trip and we can use the truck to carry the camping stuff.
Anyway, going to give it another go this weekend on the shorter secondary road route and see how it goes. But I've told everyone we're not waiting on any late arrivals.